Allowed physics on RBR Czech plugin web

[FRIC Miroslav]

Why You MUST? The only things a man must do in this world is to pay taxes and to die one day...

Such steering angle has nothing to do with reality. That is all.

[OSTROVSKIS Renars]

FRIC Miroslav wrote:

Please, don't kill me for another changes During the summer I want to make an evolution of physics. It means limits for steering angles as it is nonsence when a WRC has a turning radius of a forklift stacker and limits for break pressure depending on the class of the car. Also some changes in bodyshell polar moment of innertia are possible.

Hmm, maybe you should limit it to some bit over 600, just to leave space for some adjustments. Only increse grip level for wrc cars otherways N4 will be very close to them and S2000 will be faster as well. Actually I think already now wrc are too slow if we compare. I think my driving experience allows to make some suggestions.

[OSTROVSKIS Renars]

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are you crazy DONT MAKE ANY LIMITS FOR THE STEERING I must drive with 792 I Think many drivers get very mad if you changes the limits...

Real drivers will accept it. Simply will be slower stage times, but will disappier this monster driving.

[FRIC Miroslav]

Current WRC has some 4-5% more grip than gr.N I don't want even more. WRC are not slow, gr. N are too fast but that is hard to change when we can't slow down shifting, brake overheating, make special shock absorbers for WRC etc.

Default angle is 504°. I think that 600 is enough for adjustment and for staying in something more close to reality. Anyway this will affect all cars, not only WRC. But brake pressure change will affect anything except WRC (of course on tarmac only).

The gap between classes will always be less than in real because driving RBR (that means totaly flat out on stages we know very well) is something different to driving on pacenotes on a stage we could see during recce only. It could be a little bit compared to the superspecial stages. Those are not hard to memorize and the gap is also lower than on stages. It is quite common that the fastest gr. N are able to stay in touch with WRC there. Together with limitations in physics we can't do realistic gap between classes. Maybe in the future.

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FRIC Miroslav wrote:

Why You MUST? The only things a man must do in this world is to pay taxes and to die one day... Such steering angle has nothing to do with reality. That is all.

But Miroslav This is a game Not reality

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OSTROVSKIS Renars wrote:

Quote: are you crazy DONT MAKE ANY LIMITS FOR THE STEERING I must drive with 792 I Think many drivers get very mad if you changes the limits... Real drivers will accept it. Simply will be slower stage times, but will disappier this monster driving.

Then iam not a real driver

[FRIC Miroslav]

Anonymous wrote:

But Miroslav This is a game Not reality

Yes, but we have nothing more realistic and when we can easily eliminate a bug of physics why we shouldn't eliminate it? Why do we work on more realistic feeling, more realistic engines, brakes, weights, innertias etc. when we keep some important (and easily fixable) values in non-realistic limits?

Such big steering angle is nonsence and the fact it works in RBR is the same problem as working zero tyre pressure etc. That is also nonsence but in RBR working.

[OSTROVSKIS Renars]

FRIC Miroslav wrote:

Current WRC has some 4-5% more grip than gr.N I don't want even more. WRC are not slow, gr. N are too fast but that is hard to change when we can't slow down shifting, brake overheating, make special shock absorbers for WRC etc. Default angle is 504°. I think that 600 is enough for adjustment and for staying in something more close to reality. Anyway this will affect all cars, not only WRC. But brake pressure change will affect anything except WRC (of course on tarmac only). The gap between classes will always be less than in real because driving RBR (that means totaly flat out on stages we know very well) is something different to driving on pacenotes on a stage we could see during recce only. It could be a little bit compared to the superspecial stages. Those are not hard to memorize and the gap is also lower than on stages. It is quite common that the fastest gr. N are able to stay in touch with WRC there. Together with limitations in physics we can't do realistic gap between classes. Maybe in the future.

I strongly believe that grip level can be bigger, we all know not only tyres makes better grip for WRC cars !! And as I sayd that gap will be extra small when steering angle will be more limited. Or as you sayd N4 is too fast so make them less grip, same for S2000. Otherways soon here will be similar situation like in Italian RBR-Online where N4 cars are way too fast and beating WRC cars on tarmac, but S1600 are unbeatable on tarmac at all and has grip like an F1 car. I think its completely free to play with grip levels and we anyway cant know what would be grip on those surfaces in real !

[OSTROVSKIS Renars]

I did test. I took evo 9 with my setup and set steering angle to 605. In new bobs 2 I set time 5.03.99 and in Chirdonhead 2 3.16.95 !! Its going very fast anyway ! I will try wrc and Im sure its going to be slow as hell with this 605 angle.

[FRIC Miroslav]

We'll see what we can do during the summer.

[KARLSSON Andreas]

i also tested but with 598 degrees angle (i juse 540 on my G25) and well.. i wasnt much slower after 3 or 4 runs on Shepherds chield..
and thats with a WRC car..

however, im not a super fast driver anyhow..
but surely it´s mostly a matter of what you´re used to and a bit of setup tweaking..
but 600 i think is drivable..
atleast after some training

[OSTROVSKIS Renars]

Andreas Karlsson wrote:

i also tested but with 598 degrees angle (i juse 540 on my G25) and well.. i wasnt much slower after 3 or 4 runs on Shepherds chield.. and thats with a WRC car.. however, im not a super fast driver anyhow.. but surely it´s mostly a matter of what you´re used to and a bit of setup tweaking.. but 600 i think is drivable.. atleast after some training

Yes, I also tried it on WRC in New Bobs 2 and I set 4.50, its 4 sec slower then with 792. Maybe with more practice I could do same time. And driving now looks beautifully smooth and much more realistic

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OSTROVSKIS Renars wrote:

Andreas Karlsson wrote: i also tested but with 598 degrees angle (i juse 540 on my G25) and well.. i wasnt much slower after 3 or 4 runs on Shepherds chield.. and thats with a WRC car.. however, im not a super fast driver anyhow.. but surely it´s mostly a matter of what you´re used to and a bit of setup tweaking.. but 600 i think is drivable.. atleast after some training Yes, I also tried it on WRC in New Bobs 2 and I set 4.50, its 4 sec slower then with 792. Maybe with more practice I could do same time. And driving now looks beautifully smooth and much more realistic

Renars Do you run rbr with G25 if you do. Degrees on your G25
and degrees on the game When you drive New Bobs with the time 4,50 i mean.

[OSTROVSKIS Renars]

I use Logitech Force EX !! No chance to change something there ! And in setup degrees was 605.

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OSTROVSKIS Renars wrote:

I use Logitech Force EX !! No chance to change something there ! And in setup degrees was 605.

okey I use 200 degrees in my G25 and 792 in my setup